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All women are wearing green buttons, all the time

theferrett apparently has a history of arguing, vehemently, that by wearing attractive clothing, the woman is inviting sexual advances, where he, of course, is sole arbiter of what kind of clothing counts as invitational.

My favorite bit:
But a lot of the females I knew had this weird disconnect; they wanted men to flirt with them, but they wanted men to remain in some strange, cartoon-like asexual zone until they were ready to have sex. The men were supposed to be turned on, but only in a clinical fashion that was absolutely separate from their genitalia. The idea that an unauthorized male might be sporting an erection over their jiggling breasts was creepy to them, even if they'd gone to great lengths to make the tops of those breasts easily visible. In fact, I knew several women who dressed like hookers who got really upset when someone they didn't know told them they had a nice ass.

"You put the ass out there," I'd say. "You wrapped it so tightly in leather that it looks like a black version of your naked butt. Considering you went to such lengths to display the ass, why are you upset when someone notices it?"

They usually didn't take too well to that.

I viewed it as a control issue, and a slightly selfish one at that.
I think that pretty much speaks for itself, especially when you consider in his original post, he said that women were asked to participate based on their clothing (thus belying the claim that only participating women were asked to let men feel their breasts - apparently, women perceived as naturally wearing green buttons were also asked to offer up their breasts).

I have a friend who is getting chemo treatments for breast cancer. She's now bald, and she wears wigs. She's naturally a brunette, but during this period, she's decided to have some fun experimenting with new hair colors and styles. Last night, she told me that she notices a huge difference in how she's treated when she wears a blond wig. Not only do people stare at her, but they invade her physical space. They feel they can stand much closer to her, come up to her, in a way she never gets when she's brunette. She told a blond friend of hers about it, and the friend responded, "Welcome to my world."

Hair color, apparently, is also a green button. And god knows, she'd never choose to wear a blond wig except to attract male attention.

(links via Feminist Blogs)

ETA: My other favorite bit:
Unfortunately, I can't decry the process of "asking repeatedly," mainly because it's the only stimuli a lot of women respond to. Frankly, I think any woman who has to be begged fifteen times before she eventually accepts should be drug into the back alleyways and beaten, because her rampant need for a string of pleadings trains the wrong sort of men that no doesn't mean no. And then we should go beat up the men for good measure.

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Weasel-dude strikes again...

*head meets desk...violently* FFS, weasel-dude, that's the same line that has been used in date rape defenses for years...'She asked for it because she was dressed the way she was.'

Talk about setting us back...

(For your reference, 'FFS' is my personal shorthand for 'For fuck's sake.')

Re: Weasel-dude strikes again...

(For your reference, 'FFS' is my personal shorthand for 'For fuck's sake.')

Hee. With theferrett in the blogosphere, these shorthands make things much easier.

Re: Weasel-dude strikes again...

I started using it a few months back. Many probably don't get it, but I don't worry about that. It does make like easier and I know what it means. *G*
Wow. I was willing to cut him some slack at first for cluelessness, but there's a level at which cluelessness becomes willful and a little disgusting.

Also, your last link is all higgledy.
Fixed now. It was just a repeat of one of the links to his earlier posts.

And ... yes. I thought he was just that ignorant, that unquestioning - but no! He's been arguing for this for years.
I figured it would come to this, by his initial tone and his justifications. I've heard it dressed up before this way, and it always devolves to those nasty women who can't control their bodies in front of the poor defenseless rejected men.
Ever since I've become a blonde, I've noticed it also. People do stand closer to me, sometimes to the point where I'm just uncomfortable, and people more often make crude jokes or comments around me. I don't *mind* that last part so much, because I have a crude humor myself, but I'm troubled that blonde=let's throw sex jokes all around and stand so close in line I'm leaning my crotch against her ass (it's happened - it was followed by sharp elbowing and high amounts of glaring, and him leaving the line)

Edited at 2008-04-23 09:47 pm (UTC)
Wow. That's awful, and fascinating to me. And I wonder how people who were always blond perceive the world - do they know how much of a difference there is? Because I'm brunette, and though hearing this makes sense to me, it never occurred to me before now.
And beyond the sexual issues of it - apparently, dyeing your hair equals wearing a button that says 'Why yes, I would like to hear jokes about how stupid you think I am. No, really, it's not demeaning at all, because I chose to become a blonde so that means I wanted to be ridiculed.'

Blonde jokes can be funny. Repeated blonde jokes coming from the same person that don't quite sound like jokes after the tenth time you've heard it? Not funny.

Edited at 2008-04-23 10:09 pm (UTC)
Eeew. And if it's a friend, there's really no good way to say it's not funny. Although I do remember once pointing out to a guy in college that "women" jokes were no more acceptable than black jokes, and he really did take the message and stop (at least in front of me, anyway). Blond jokes are just a subset of women jokes, IMHO.
She told a blond friend of hers about it, and the friend responded, "Welcome to my world."

YES.

I have VERY strong opinions & issues with this, which I don't know if you want me to open this can of worms. So, short answer. I'm a natural blonde. As soon as I dyed my hair darker on a whim, my life became 100 times easier. Every single aspect of it. Now that I'm back to my natural hair color, there are times when I really want to go dark again JUST so that my day-to-day life will be easier, but then I feel like I shouldn't because it's a cop-out, that I shouldn't have to change how I was born.

Honestly? Hilary Clinton would be getting a lot less of the demeaning comments if she had dark hair.
No, really, it's not demeaning at all, because I chose to become a blonde so that means I wanted to be ridiculed.'

Now try to imagine that you've had blonde hair all your life and have been told you're stupid with comments EVERY SINGLE DAY OF YOUR LIFE, friends & strangers alike. And you're not allowed to get offended or EVEN TO NOT LAUGH at them. Every day. Since puberty.

Have fun with your self-esteem!
Frankly, I think any woman who has to be begged fifteen times before she eventually accepts should be drug into the back alleyways and beaten,

How many levels of ick can we get into here?

Hey, dude, newsflash - if you have to ask fifteen times, SHE'S NOT INTERESTED IN YOU. And if she finally gives in, chances are it might be for complex reasons beyond holding out just to make you crazy. For example, it might be seen as coercion on your part - that popular idea that if you just "wear her down" she'll say yes. Yeah, that's the basis for a healthy sexual experience.

The thing about this guy - he makes some reasonable points, then he tags it with something so foul you know his reasonableness is just covering up his true motivations.
It's really kind of unbelievable. Somewhere I saw a comment thread being quoted where he basically made it extra special clear that if women wanted to, you know, restrict access to their bodies based on some kind of actual, you know, standards, this was unhealthy.
figured as much. And his argument in the other piece starts off talking about women clearly dressed in an extremely provacative manner, but elsewhere he mentions the tops of the breasts being visible. Hello, that's practically every top in fashion right now for women with breast sizes above a B cup.

So apparently just by dressing as I would normally in a DC Summer, I'm putting myself out there and setting those poor men up.

I knew it would eventually get to this point, if he kept talking long enough. But apparently it was there all along if you had been reading all his posts, huh?
Just FYI, anyone who comes across his journal can add, remove, and change tags. Unless he's changed that recently.

I agree with the rest of what you're saying, though.
Oh, no, I"m sorry... I meant he adds a comment at the end of his "reasonable" essay (a tagline) that sort of throws everything that came before in a nasty light.)
Ah, gotcha. Those zingers. Yeah.
But speaking of the actual tags that can be edited by anyone, you should totally check out the ones now displayed at the top of his original post.
I take back my comment about my friends from a few posts ago. This dude is a whole different category of ew. D:
He really is a huge creep. And here's the real Freudian slip...

"I viewed it as a control issue, and a slightly selfish one at that."

How dare women want to control who they fuck? How dare they want to decide when they're ready for sex? Why, it's almost like they think they're people or something!
I know, the "slightly selfish" thing just ... wtf?!? And I'd think okay, big shock, someone is wrong on the internet, except that he's, like, a "celebrity" apparently. With lots of people who listen to him.
Yeah, I noticed the selfish thing too. It's sort of like women's bodies are community property, so it's selfish of women to hog the commodity all to themselves. Which is just beyond wtf. It also reminded me of his comment in one of the previous threads that was something along the lines of if men who act in accordance with "polite" society aren't rewarded, what's the incentive to be polite--like Nice Guys are owed boobs by society for being Nice.

he's, like, a "celebrity" apparently. With lots of people who listen to him.

Yeah, that just made it extra creepy. There's whole pro "Support OSBP" posts on comms now apparently.
--like Nice Guys are owed boobs by society for being Nice.

That was inherent in the description of the project - if you weren't a lout, the assumption was that the woman would let you touch her breasts.

Yeah, that just made it extra creepy. There's whole pro "Support OSBP" posts on comms now apparently.

I didn't know that. I keep thinking that finally I can move on and not be continually upset, and then ... no.
Basically the short version of most of his rants is "all the boobies are belong to us, as long as we're Nice".